Interview on WSRF Radio, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida
October 28th, 2004 • 8:00pm •


Lyndon LaRouche Interview on
WSRF Radio in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida

What follows is the transcript of an Oct. 29, 2004 interview with Lyndon LaRouche by host Andre Eggelletion, Radio WSRF, 1580 AM, in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. LaRouche's interview was preceded earlier in the program with live interviews of candidates, including Sen. John Edwards. The day before, host Eggelletion interviewed Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Host: Joining me now is our highly esteemed guest Mr. Lyndon LaRouche, the author of one very impressive book, Dope, Inc. I strongly urge you to try to find a copy of this book. It is a must-have for your library. Without any further ado, Mr. LaRouche, thank you for joining us today.

LaRouche: Well, it's good to be with you.

Host: It is our pleasure. Tell us about this fiasco that we're having with the flu vaccine. What are your thoughts?

LaRouche: Well, first of all, it's a result of a problem with the mind of a President, who obviously does not understand reality, and also many citizens in some brackets who really are not up to speed on what the problem is here. Look, we require an improved national health security program, and the Bush policy, in the direction of radical government deregulation and taking government out, has created a situation in which the people are much more at risk. The Bush Administration, by what it's failed to do in terms of establishing, re-establishing, government regulation of the political health security area, has created a situation in which it's tried to cover up. That is, it has actually shut down the health capability. It has done this on the basis of deals which the Bush Administration has cut with private interests which are interested in profit, not the health of our people.

For example, take the case of this British company, which we should not have gotten into this business under normal circumstances—but we just allowed the whole system to break down, and now we face what is said to be a very serious flu vaccine shortage, under conditions in which the people of the United States are operating at increased risk because of the lack of health-care provisions in the past period. That is, Bush had shut down a lot of what, virtually, Clinton had set into motion in terms of vaccinations and so forth. We have whole areas that just do not have vaccinations for these kinds of reasons.

So therefore, we have a "herd risk;" that is, the population as a whole is at a greater risk of infection today by this flu than earlier. And we have no protection, and this is the result of willful negligence on the part of the Bush Administration.

Host: And then they try to downplay it by saying that, uh, this is the first time that they've had this type of turnout to try to get flu vaccines. That is not an excuse for the gross dereliction of duty by this Bush Administration, in not assuring our elderly.... I mean, I have parents of your age, Mr. LaRouche, and they need these flu shots and they can't get them in Florida.

LaRouche: I know. It's a much bigger problem, but that's the point. We have to fight, to do what we can, but the Bush Administration is refusing to fight on the lines it could fight. I mean, it wasted a lot of time. It wasted several years, actually, on this business. It wasted especially the past six months, where it covered up on this operation until the debates forced it into the open. But they've been covering up, and they're still covering up, and they're still lying about it. If they would tell the truth, then it would be easier to mobilize, through the Congress and so forth, certain emergency efforts which would help the problem, although admittedly we would still be suffering a great deal from it.

Host: Absolutely. Do you see this crisis as being the result of just gross negligence and dereliction of duty, or is there something more subtle here?

LaRouche: There's a philosophy behind this. You know, when you talk about the current President of the United States, you don't want to talk too much about intention, because you're not sure he knows what his intentions are.

Host: Uh-huh.

LaRouche: You talk about his practice, and his practice is one of negligence. When you talk about Cheney and people like that, you're talking about a man who's a virtual sociopath, and who is out for, as Halliburton's crimes show— I mean, the things that are up against Halliburton, under the leadership of Cheney before and after he was the chief executive there, these crimes show what a really rotten firm that is, and it shows the kind of operation that Cheney tends to run. And Cheney is actually much more significant in controlling the Bush Administration than the President. The President I don't think even knows what the time is, most of the time.

Host: Absolutely. And it seems like our Presidents have these shadowy advisors who history has recorded many, many times, with the Colonel Edward Mandell Houses of our American politics, of being shadow Presidents, and it appears that Dick Cheney is just that. What are your thoughts?

LaRouche: Well, Cheney is a stooge of a stooge. He's essentially a stooge of the crowd around George Shultz, who we know from the old Nixon Administration period. And, just as Schwarzenegger in California—who belongs, shall we say, doesn't wear a swastika, but he thinks like one who does—is also a protege of George Shultz. So you have people who represent powerful financier interests behind the scenes. They don't care about the American people. They care about the profits of their special interests.

Host: Absolutely. They lack the appropriate sense of patriotism, nationalism, and humanism , that I feel are the requisite for being public servants. Mr. LaRouche, let's talk for a minute about the things that you talked about in your book Dope, Inc. What is the central thesis of that book, and does it apply to today's political environment?

LaRouche: Yes, it does.

For example, one of the great problems with drugs in Asia: Afghanistan. Afghanistan was a big opium-growing area, one of the principal opium-growing areas of the world. Then, Brzezinski, with his program of attacking the underbelly of the Soviet Union, and together with the British government and later with George Bush as Vice President and also with people like Jimmy Goldsmith from the British side, went into this area with the idea of creating an asymmetric warfare mess for the Soviet Union. Now, what they did, and they did something that was consistent with Iran-Contra, Iran-Contra's drug operations, and what was done was similar to what Bush's crew was doing with Ollie North in Central America.

My experience is, in our investigations and combat against this drug traffic increase—and of course, you know something about it in Florida, with this spillover of George Bush's operation—what they did is, in Afghanistan, the Soviet Army, which was in there for almost a decade, became totally corrupted by the drug traffic, and whole sections of the Soviet Army became involved in drug-trafficking. That drug-trafficking, which is not Russian or anything else in character—it's drug traffic in character—is sitting in Central Asia, and spreading across into Europe and elsewhere. It's one of the major problems in the world today, and it's not being dealt with. This present administration in Afghanistan, even while it's somewhat temporarily stabilized, is nothing but a drug regime.

Host: And, you know, that is my major concern in that, we should be more concerned about the lax security on nuclear materials in the Soviet Union, but at the same time, I feel that the proliferation of drugs and the money-laundering apparatus in our own hemisphere poses just as strong a strategic threat to the interests of the United States, in that this activity has been known to fund terrorism around the world.

We're going to take a couple of phone calls, Mr. LaRouche.

Caller No. 1: Thank you. Andre, I've got to give you much kudos for today's show. To have Lyndon LaRouche as well as Senator Edwards on the same show. That's something I can't recall ever having heard on anybody's station. And welcome, Mr. LaRouche. I have to say that I've been getting your paper for a long time. I wish you guys would begin to publish it again so I can continue to get it, and I've had three copies of Dope, Inc. over the years, and they've all disappeared, and now I have a mimeographed copy, because that's the only way I can keep the book—

Host: Me too. (laughs)

Caller No. 1: I wanted to ask you, Mr. LaRouche, if you can explain to our listening audience, exactly who—and this is going back historically, perhaps if you can do so in the short period of time that we have—who ultimately is responsible for the vast majority of the drug-trafficking on this planet? Obviously, having read the book, I know, but based on what I've read from the book, I would like you to explain this to the majority of the people out there, because they really have no clue about the families that have been making money on drugs for the last 200-300 years, and I'll get off the line. Thank you.

Host: Appreciate it, Daniel. And Daniel's throwing you the bomb ball, and he's stepping back into the pocket like a real quarterback, and he's made a very accurate pass, Mr. LaRouche.

LaRouche: Okay, good. The international drug traffic began in the 1790s, and it came at the time that the British East India Company and its Dutch affiliates were going into drugs, and they dumped the African slave trade on other countries—back on Spain and Portugal, and so forth. And they brought Americans into it from around the Boston area. And they took people out of the slave trade on the grounds that this was not profitable to the British Crown, because the drug trade was more profitable than the slave trade. So, since that time, we've had an internationallly organized drug trade, of which the China drug trade during the 19th century is typical. But it never stopped.

Now, you have several sources of chief income today in the world. That is, sources of income, things that are played for income. One, you have raw materials, including petroleum, mineral raw materials. This is being played by an international cartel, multinational cartel. You have drugs. So, if you take the revenue from the drug traffic, not the drug growth, necessarily, or initial payments made to the growers, but the drug traffickers and the international cartel in raw materials, including petroleum, this is the greatest concentration of attributable financial wealth in the world.

And that is what this is for. The purpose is to destroy society—that is, the kind of society they don't like; that is, the American System—and to create instead a system where they control the world's population by these kinds of methods, as well as getting a lot of wealth in the meantime. It's like a disease, and we are infected by this disease, this drug traffic.

Host: Indeed. The fingerprints—to just dovetail another answer to Daniel's question—the fingerprints are all over our intelligence apparatus—the CIA, as Mr. LaRouche has alluded to earlier today. He didn't allude to it, he said it. I mean, the CIA during the Iran-Contra period, the whole Mena scandal. these guys have been heavily involved in the proliferation of drugs in our community. We've even had elected officials at the national level come out and say so, so the cat's out of the bag. It's an open conspiracy. There's nothing that's being done behind the scenes. I'm going to take another call.

Caller No. 2: Mr. LaRouche, welcome and God bless, you know. Continue to do your work.

LaRouche: Thank you.

Caller No. 2: One thing I have to say. As long as we as Americans continue to consume without regard to the rest of the world around us, we're going to be in big, big trouble. Once the Soviet Union was dismantled, we have this false sense that the Soviets are no longer in existence. It's like saying, once there's a war on drugs, then we don't have a drug problem; of which we know now that the problem about drugs is much greater now than it ever was. The troops in Iraq are being killed, but the purpose of them being killed without anyone showing any real concern within the Administration is serving the purpose of those that are within that are trying to take over the country. What I have as a question for Mr. LaRouche is, what are we as citizens to do, in order to stop this, whether we are Republicans or Democrats, you know what I mean? It's going to affect everybody, rich or poor, black or white, Jew or Gentile, whatever. So, what are we to do and how are we to do it?

Host: Very good question. Thanks a lot. We appreciate it.

LaRouche: First of all, we have to get rid of the George Bush Administration. Otherwise, if you don't get rid of that, you're not going to get rid of any of the problems. It's going to get worse, because Cheney and company are prepared to go into extended wars, immediately! And this includes the possibility of nuclear armed wars, started by Cheney and company. Iraq was just one of the stepping stones toward a plan, which Cheney has made no secret about, for a continued preemptive nuclear war around the world. So, if you don't get rid of this Administration, you're not going to solve any of the problems. They're going to become much worse. We may even go into a Dark Age as a result of it.

Now, with a new Administration, you've got a different kind of problem. The new Administration is going to be under tremendous pressure from international bankers to behave itself, from the standpoint of the interests of international financial circles. We who are supporting the Kerry-Edwards ticket, must make sure that during the period between the election and the time of the inauguration, that we do not have a government created for Kerry which is locked in to play dog-in-the-manger for these financier interests, who want to keep this kind of thing going.

Host: Absolutely. I mean, you hit the nail right on the head, Mr. LaRouche. Go ahead, continue.

LaRouche: Anyway, that's our problem. I'm concerned. You know, I'm going to be around very much on this, on the economic issue. We have the greatest financial crisis in history. The present government wouldn't even try to handle it. I wonder if Kerry will be able to handle it. I'm concerned that Kerry be equipped with the ability to handle it. I'm concerned with bringing people together around him, now, who would be his advisors on these kinds of things where he is relatively weak, to make him strong.

Host: Absolutely. And we, as an electorate, must push for guys like Representative Bobby Scott, to have a post in our financial centers inside the Beltway, maybe posted at the Treasury Office. Somebody that is an opponent of the privatization of our monetary policy, somebody that is a proponent of reducing this perpetually expanding debt that George Bush has put us up under, and somebody that will listen to guys like Lyndon LaRouche. We're glad to have you today, Mr. LaRouche. We've come to the end of the show. What's your website, how can we find more of your materials, and when can we get some more copies of Dope, Inc. ?

LaRouche: We're going to try to get that thing out again. The website is, and that, I think—there are other websites, but everything can be referenced from So if people access that, they've got access to everything else.

Host: All right, you take care of yourself, Mr. LaRouche. Get your rest and all of that stuff. We need you to be around a long, long time more. You haven't reached the end of your road yet, sir.

LaRouche: Thank you very much.