LaRouchePAC Policy Discussion · January 20, 2014
January 21, 2014 • 1:35PM

The weekly Policy Discussion with Mr. LaRouche now streams live on the site, every Monday afternoon

The audio from this week's edition of the Policy Discussion. Runs about 45 min; the video can be found here.


DIANE SARE: Good afternoon, and welcome to the Monday, January 20th, LaRouche PAC Policy Committee discussion. Today is Martin Luther King Day, appropriately enough. I'm Diane Sare, and I'm joined over Google Hangouts on Air, by Kesha Rogers, our Senate candidate in Houston, Texas, and with her is Bill Roberts of Michigan, in Texas; we have also Dave Christie online from Seattle, Washington; Michael Steger on line from San Francisco, California; and Rachel Brown from Boston. And of course, we have here in the studio, Lyndon LaRouche.

And I think I'll just begin by saying today we are following an absolutely extraordinary event yesterday, which was the Jan. 19th commemoration of an incredible concert, or it was actually a mass in January of 1964, organized by the Kennedy family after the assassination of President Kennedy, 50 years ago. And what occurred was the transformation of the city of Boston. There were over 1200 people in attendance; we had a large contingent of dignitaries; four consulates were represented; a number of state legislators, military people, a large number of youth people, students, a very diverse group from all over the city, about 1200 in total.

And greetings were read from Nicholas DiVirgilio, a tenor soloist, the one surviving soloist of the 1964 performance, from the President of Ireland; and then, as a surprise to many in attendance, the former Mayor, Raymond Flynn, Ambassador Raymond Flynn of Boston gave brief remarks and recounted his own presence at the 1964 concert. And then, Helga Zepp-LaRouche, your wife, referenced the recent battle of the new Pope against Wall Street and the murderous policies of Wall Street, and the shift in the country after the assassination of Kennedy, and the necessity for us to revive the spirit of optimism.

And I can say -- and I'm sure there'll be more discussed on this as we proceed -- but the quality of performance was quite extraordinary. The lower tuning had a profound effect: The members of the orchestra were blown away by the fullness of the sound of the chorus. And then, the combination of the speeches of Kennedy, which had a huge effect on people who remembered Kennedy, who were alive when he was President, and they resonated with those people in one way, and then, many of the younger people who had not heard Kennedy speak before. And I'll just say, as an observer, a lot of the orchestra members were students from the New England Conservatory, and elsewhere, and it was a really delightful to see a young orchestra -- they were very enthusiastic and very passionate.

So the thing was a complete success, and I think it's really indicative of the type of paradigm shift which is urgently required as we are careening toward thermonuclear war. And I understand you have been working on a very important paper, which will shape this, called "A Much-Needed Global Strategy," and you might like to say something about that.

LYNDON LAROUCHE: Yes, and also, I think to put on the record, here, in this form, in this way, the fact that there is available from the morning briefing scheduled yesterday, but now being performed by a close associated of mine, Jeff Steinberg, who wrote a lead of the Morning Briefing dated for Monday, which I think should be included as a fact, available, not only for all of our members, both in the United States and beyond, internationally, and also for the general population. I think that Morning Briefing part, written and composed by Jeff Steinberg, my associate, is probably the most excellent the statement opening of what was performed in Boston yesterday.

SARE: Yes, we'll have to post it. And I should say, which I neglected, is that Matt Ogden, our beloved Matt Ogden, did manage to get there and MC the event, in spite of his slow recovery from his accident, and I expect he'll be back with us next week, on air.

LAROUCHE: Yes, and I'm sure that our saying this on the record, now, where he can audit it, will actually give him a great sign of relief and pleasure in that sigh.

So, what we're faced with, we're faced with a turning point in history, at this time. That what we're faced with on the one hand is the immediate prospect of the launching of thermonuclear war, from the trans-Atlantic sources of the world, against the intention to destroy global system, also by an attack on the Eurasian section of the world population. That doesn't mean that every part of that Eurasian population is a fine fellow. Many of them are actually scoundrels of the worst degree, they're actually traitors to humanity, not just to their own nations. But, what we have, in net array, is that now means we're now approaching, at least as long as the present President of the United States Obama, is in place, we are now in the grave, relatively immediate threat of a thermonuclear war, which if it is executed could mean the probable, if not certain, extinction of the human species. And that is the issue, which everyone has to perceive if they want to be intelligent, intelligent about what the world situation is, even in their local experience, even their personal experience, even their family's experience, all are hinged on this!

Now, the war that we are threatened with, largely from the British monarchy, the British Empire, but including many circles who are influenced by the British Empire, inside the United States itself, even the leadership of the United States itself! The implication is, the truth which very few people today, really have the competence to understand strategically, is that the present series of wars, international wars, started in the context of the Civil War in the United States. The victory of the Lincoln effort, as in the greenbacks system.

The greenbacks system crucial, absolutely crucial for the victory of the United States over the British-orchestrated Confederacy. The Confederacy was a British instrument, not a patriotic American instrument. They were people who had turned against the Constitution of the United States, and created the Confederacy as an act of treason against the United States! Now, Lincoln dealt with that problem at the end of the war with a great deal of moderation, but the reality, which he covered a little bit with moderation, for obvious strategic reasons, remain the reality.

So at that point, the British enemy, the British-directed, the British imperial-directed processes, which had organized the process of the creation of the Confederacy, beginning with many dirty Presidents, who were actually traitors to the United States, traitors in principle, not just in allegations. And so what this did, this set something into motion, with the assassination of President Clinton himself -- not Clinton, Lincoln! That's still lurking around, even though he's out of office for some time. But no, of Abraham Lincoln.

The Lincoln [assassination] produced an element of continued weakness within the context of the victory of which President Lincoln had effected, or under his guidance. At that point, the oligarchical system, typified by the British Empire, initiated what became in effect a world war, a permanent state of world war.

Now, there are a lot of people who are not -- they have a tactical orientation about warfare, but not a strategic one. There are very few people in the leadership of the United States, or for that matter, in many other nations particularly of the trans-Atlantic region. They do not understand history, because they deem themselves practical, rather than strategic, and I have that dealing with my own association. We have people whose defect is that they have the right, good intensions, and skills to back up those intentions, But! not all of them are not really strategic thinkers, even though they sometimes think they are by a misjudgment.

The history of mankind on warfare, then proceeded to the opening of a continuous worldwide warfare, which was started in the period, since the time of the events of the Civil War. Since that time, had entered into a new phase of developments, and that was started. Already, the potential for a long-ranging war, since the Civil War in the United States, the long-ranging warfare up to the present date, which has been global, not local, not regional, has been the event which was triggered -- not caused by -- but triggered by the ouster of the leading German figure of that time, Bismarck.

What that did, the ouster of Bismarck uncorked, through British instruments, operating inside Germany, among the new government of Germany, the new monarchy of Germany, what that did was open the gates for a system of warfare, starting with the assassination of the President of France and similar kinds of things, and smaller wars, spreading throughout the planet, as in the Japan-China wars, and things of that sort.

This system of warfare has continued, since the ouster of Bismarck, up to the present date. And there's no understanding of the history of mankind since that date, without this understanding! And that lack of understanding, among leading forces, and nations, and so forth, and even the populations of nations, the stupidity of populations, since the ouster of Bismarck, has grown to such magnitude that practically no one on this planet, even of top ranking parts of government, with rare exceptions, have any comprehension whatsoever, of what this warfare that threatens us, now represents! And it's that concept, which I know rather perfectly, and I'm in accord on this with many leading figures, some of whom are already dead, deceased, but these figures have understood that the trend in policy, throughout planet Earth, among the people of planet, the nations of planet Earth, as they have come and gone, that all through this period of more than a century, much more than a century, is a span of permanent kinds of destruction of mankind by aid of means of warfare: That every peace, international peace, which has been established within the course of the warfare of that period, has been a fake: It was only a rehearsal for the next step. A breathing space, between then and the launching of the next kind of war.

For example, I experienced this personally with insight, with effective insight, in my own experience, on the question of the significance of the launching, internal warfare among the Chechens, in two successive wars following the collapse of the Soviet Union. The classical tyranny, the classical terrorism, that was met by those two Chechen-staged wars, against, immediately first, the former Soviet Union, that spread throughout the world to become the international drug traffic and terrorism! It is the international drug traffic and the spread of terrorism among nations, and within nations, which is responsible for the terrible condition which threaten the continued existence of the human species now! Because what can happen now, if it reaches its full potential, and will do so, early, now, and so forth -- it's very difficult to avoid -- now, can mean the thermonuclear conflict, which is now threatened from within the trans-Atlantic region, against the planet as a whole.

If you do not have that top down view of the span of history, especially since the Civil War, up to the present time, you don't know what in Hell reality is!

SARE: Well, I think that's very much the case, and it's very clear, I mean, you look at the opium production for example in Afghanistan, this region, it's increased fortyfold in the years since the 2001 terror attacks. The other question, I was very stunned, because I read a few years ago, an autobiographical account, called The Crossing of the Armies by Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, of the surrender and then they were marching back to Washington for the victory parade of the troops, and Abraham Lincoln was assassinated before they even got back to Washington! So the assassination of Lincoln was virtually immediate after the victory of the Union Army forces.

So in a sense, you see this battle unfolding, a President who clearly stood on the shoulders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, the launching of the Transcontinental Railroad, his whole plan for the Reconstruction of the South, and he's dead, before they even have the victory parade of troops after the Civil War.

And there was enough, or there was a certain momentum, but as you said, then it led to this battle in Europe over these forces. And again, it's Zeus versus Prometheus: The oligarchical system, the empire who says "No! People will be kept backwards, stupid, you're not allowed to develop, we're not going to have transcontinental railroads, we're not going to have development: We're going to have slave labor, drug trafficking, money laundering later," versus what was then the American System. And that's the arc that's playing out, not something that just developed in the last weeks or months.

LAROUCHE: Or even the last two Presidencies. The most recent two Presidencies, are simply an outgrowth, successive step downward into devastation, under the current President! And only the removal of the current President from office, which is actually not a proposal, it's a requirement for the survival of civilization!

SARE: Yes, absolutely!

LAROUCHE: And I think some of our people here, in our committee, have a comprehension of what I've just said.

SARE: Yes, I think so.

DAVE CHRISTIE: Well, you know, just to say what you were just presenting, the idea that the build-up of the war since the ouster of Bismarck and the attack on the American System, you know, really if you look at it, what are we dealing with with these Eurasian nations? I mean, explicitly, it's been made clear to us that the Silk Road policy of China, for example, is your policy, Mr. LaRouche, and that is what these nations are actually doing, is adopting the American System, adopting a commitment to scientific progress as expressed by the helium-3 moves by China, to go up and mine helium-3 from the Moon. And you know, the way I've often thought about this, because when people aren't able to think strategically, they begin to think of things as various parts. And that's oftentimes how people look at this whole al-Qaeda phenomenon, as just simply an outgrowth of feeling oppressed, or whatever it might be, when in reality, if you look at the financing of who backs the al-Qaeda, it's the Saudis! And they're as if today's modern "Hessian army" if you will, or the Hessians that were deployed during the American Revolution as the British Empire's mercenary operation. And that's what they act as essentially today, to disrupt and go after these nations, create a condition of warfare on the border of these nations, that are actually committed to the American System.

So again, it is this same continued policy, which is all interconnected with the drug running, the laundering of the drug money through the banks. This is the point that Viktor Ivanov made, if you want to shut down the international drug trade, which he's made the point has killed, as Diane mentioned, it's increased fortyfold, but the heroin deaths coming from Afghan heroin have been 1 million over the last decade, globally; and he's made the point, if you want to shut down the drug operation, shut down the dope banks with Glass-Steagall! He's made that comment that we need to shut down the international drug trade with the logic of Glass-Steagall.

But, yeah. That's what it is, that's what we're dealing with, is, these nations who are committed to the American System are now targets of the British Empire; their Saudi junior partners in the British Empire, deploying these modern-day Hessian armies to attack them.

LAROUCHE: Exactly. That's a very fair and implicitly profound statement of fact, even though it's not the complete fact. It is, in what it represents, a true statement of actual fact of that situation, whose context you address.

KESHA ROGERS: Yeah, and I think it's very appropriate that we are honoring the life of two great Promethean men, at this time of grave crisis that our nation faces, as Diane said, with the birthday celebration of Dr. Martin Luther King, and the power that we're bringing about with reviving the life of John F. Kennedy. Because I think they really had an insight and a foresight into the future. And I remember Dr. King once quoted President John F. Kennedy as he said, either mankind puts an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind. And when he described the threat of war from the standpoint of an obliteration of a thermonuclear-style war, or what we face today, what you have been warning about, he warned that this is a war, an inferno that not even Dante could have imagined. And I think that we can look at the warnings that you have put out, and the foresight that came from these great leaders, because the warnings really were, not just about war, but they were about what is the view of mankind that must be adopted?

And Dr. King said that we have to end the threat of colonialism, he was talking about a "Marshall Plan" for Asia, a "Marshall Plan" for Africa, for South America, that the United States play its proper role in defeating colonialism, neo-colonialism, in actually providing for the end to poverty, and a war on poverty. And I think that right now, that's what the population is ready for: The population is ready for those who are going to stand up in their interests, and actually take on this threat that is facing us. And I think that given those two great mind, you can really get a sense of what this Promethean identity of man truly represents and that just to make the point, today we were at a Martin Luther King parade. We were participants in the parade, and we had a float. And on our float was "Jail the Wall Street Bankers, Stop the Illicit Money Laundering." And we had two Wall Street bankers in jail, waving their money around, saying, "Kesha Rogers put us in here! Let us out of this jail! We got all the money, we don't deserve to be jail! We're the good guys!" And it was very interesting, because everyone was just having an extraordinary response to this, that we had a theme of fusion economy, thermonuclear fusion, going to the Moon, helium-3, and people just got so excited by this, creating 10 million productive jobs with NAWAPA.

And we had a beautiful chorus. So it was a counterpoint, with our chorus singing "Ain't Got Time To Die," Negro Spirituals, "Oh Freedom." And then, as the chorus is singing, everyone is getting uplifted by the Spirituals and the patriotic music and saying, "Hey! That's what we need! We're going to vote for you!" And our signs say, "Impeach Obama, Crush Wall Street, Glass-Steagall Now," with the policy solution.

And you should see, the crowd were just cheering and they were extremely excited, and saying "Yeah, that's what we need, we're going to vote for you," and people really got a sense of beauty. So I think we're at a very extraordinary moment in the population. And the enemy is really vulnerable right now, should we say.

LAROUCHE: Let me supplement what you just said, in a certain, very specific way: Earlier this week, intended originally for Monday, but actually accomplished subsequently was an event centered in the Boston region in honor and in celebration of religious event but a national event, about the assassination and death of President John F. Kennedy. The success of this event, which we're just able to report somewhat in full, on its cardinal points, and could say, literally, "Cardinal points," and even other, higher-ranking kinds of points: That what happened in this event, in Boston, in honor of the memory of former President John F. Kennedy, was the greatest event, morally speaking, in the recent history of the United States. This event, in its character and its implications, is the most promising event to have occurred inside the United States and even probably beyond, for the recovery of our Republic, and the defense of peace and progress among nations, that I've ever experienced in the course of my lifetime!

RACHEL BROWN: One thing I'll say about what occurred at the event, was that there was a change in the audience, when the subjective point was made, that it was not just something to honor something in the past, which is most of the Kennedy media had been doing, saying "where were you when this occurred?" etc. But anyway, Helga Zepp-LaRouche gave a speech, and also in Kennedy's speeches, where he talked about the role of the citizen in doing this for the future, that we are here today to give something to the next generation, and cited for example, that the projects of his day would contribute to the 1970s and '80s, so that people after them would have something. And so you had this funny sense of time, and conscience occurring for the population, realizing, one, that that had not been done; two, that no one was asking them, and they weren't thinking of the next generation right now, but, in that event, they were being asked to, to think right now about the future. And you just saw a very dramatic comprehension of something that the population got from the event, this idea that -- the optimism of the idea that they do have that Promethean mission to actually do something with their lives for the future. I think that was expressed by some people that attended, afterwards, that they had an understanding of a challenge that was made and there was optimism in that challenge.

LAROUCHE: Mm-hmm. Sometimes, you know, the most useful thing I contribute to our organization is to give a large part of the membership of the organization, an uplifting kick! [laughs]

SARE: Well, it was definitely the right thing to do, to hold this event, and there were practical concerns leading into it, on questions of resources and so on, and it was clearly absolutely right to do it. And I will just say, being at the back of the hall, there were people left over from forces you know around Newburyport and elsewhere, who would have liked to somehow disrupt the spectacular success of this, who were unable, because the thing was so powerful and so powerfully done. And they were left to leave with their tails between their legs...

LAROUCHE: And their mouths agape...

SARE: Yes! [laughter]

MICHAEL STEGER: One thing about the event that is indicated, is part of the strategic outlook you're referencing Lyn. It reminds me much of how Lincoln thought in the context of the Civil War. At that point, Lincoln was clear, he was facing not just a revolt inside the United States, but it was a Zeus imperial policy. Because it wasn't just the British, who had control of Canada, who were fostering the would-be assassins of Lincoln. But you had Napoleon III's forces, Maximilian, the Habsburgs both in control of Austria and Habsburg, and of Spain, operating in Mexico. And so you had a full European imperial policy out to basically destroy the United States at this point.

And Lincoln has a famous reference of we're going to fight one enemy at a time, first the Confederacy and then we're going to take on the empires, directly. But in the context of Lincoln doing that, he also knew that he had to have a strategy for true victory, which is one, at this point in time of shutting down the Wall Street bankers, eliminating this international cartel; but it's also a policy of what Kennedy represented, similar to what Lincoln did at the time with the Transcontinental Railroad, where you create this orientation of direction.

And I think, just to put a sharp point on it, it stands out that the grandson of Archduke Ferdinand today, who was part of this Habsburg tradition, that Lincoln himself was fighting, comes out and says, his grandfather would be very proud of what's now developed with the European Union, and that same Zeus orientation of war and destruction has now come to dominate Europe against the tradition of Lincoln and Bismarck! And that this concert, and our efforts today reflect that same kind of fight.

LAROUCHE: Excellent. That's true.

SARE: Actually, Michael, what you're bringing up makes me think also of a period later, which was FDR, you had in Europe, Hitler, Vichy France, Franco, Mussolini -- I mean, they went fascist! And the idea was to make the United States go fascist. And the American people rejected that by voting for Franklin Roosevelt and reelecting him, and reelecting him.

And therefore, in a fit of desperation, these Zeusian characters, people like Theodor Adorno, Hannah Arendt, Luce, the founder of Time magazine, created the Congress for Cultural Freedom, as an intervention to destroy from within by promoting a hideous, hateful, satanic culture, based on the premise that human beings are the equivalent of animals.

LAROUCHE: And based on the succession of the death of Franklin Roosevelt, by a bum as the next President. Which is, that bum, the Truman Administration, despite all the good things that were done by Presidencies after that, during the 1950s, 1960s and so forth, despite those good things, had it been done up, say, through the case of this President, the assassinated Kennedy -- and through the aid of assassinations and attempted assassinations, as of the Reagan administration; that was intended to be a permanent assassination, echoing the exact intention of the assassinations of both John F. Kennedy and his brother, who was about to be nominated, officially, as the candidate for President, and would have won! So they eliminated him, by an assassination, directed from the highest level of power inside the United States, in terms of the institutional power! They assassinated him, by trying to assassinate Reagan, which was not successful, they weakened his Presidency, by the scoundrels who were prominent in high places inside his administration.

SARE: Like the Bush family.

LAROUCHE: The Bush family in particular! I wouldn't say the "Bush family," because that doesn't make the point clear. The way to make the point clear: These are the children and grandchildren of the Prescott Bush, who brought Hitler into power, in Germany, under British sponsorship! And Winston Churchill, to his relative credit, in the short term, went to Franklin Roosevelt and said: The British Empire will henceforth as an Empah, we will hence forth work (for the time being) with Franklin Roosevelt, to save our unholy butts!

SARE: Right!

LAROUCHE: That's the true history of this kind of thing. And I think it's necessary sometimes to become bold and very clear, very frank and very correct points in history.

SARE: I agree. [laughter]

CHRISTIE: Well, just to follow up on that, Prescott Bush's relationship to the Wall Street crowd, the likes of John Foster Dulles, his brother Allen Dulles who created the CIA, and then with Bush Sr. coming into the CIA, this was, and is the legacy, still today, of the secret government apparatus, the very same people that killed Dr. King and obviously, John F. Kennedy and brother Robert, was this grouping, with the intention of bringing the fascist policy into the United States.

And I think with the grouping that you've talked about, Lyn, that you worked with around the OSS, that represented another faction that came in around the Reagan administration, but then of course, was coopted back to the Bush crowd, with Reagan's acceptance of Bush Sr. as his Vice President. But that's the same continuous crowd that we've been up against and are still up against, today, directly coordinated by the Wall Street interests in the United States.

LAROUCHE: Absolutely correct. Precisely correct! Maybe you can add some facts to that, but what you have said just now, is absolutely correct. It is not only correct, it is the kind of statement, which we require others to share, especially in the leadership within the United States of those who are still patriots, as opposed to rejects which may be still occupying positions of power.

STEGER: I can just say, from the West Coast, that the death and assassination of Kennedy is still felt directly, not only in the general cultural and economic crisis of the country, but you have an entire area of the Western part of the United States, that's about to go to ghost towns and be destroyed. Now, there are of course, certain places that have prepared, but there have been periods in the geological timeframe of this area of area of our planet, which have gone through droughts of over 150 years! And so, we're seeing now, a kind of drought condition, or dry seasons that's the worst in maybe that period of time; over the course of the last 150, this is the worst drought period we're seeing. Some towns have five or six weeks left of water, in parts of California! I mean, the preparations are to build outhouses! I mean, there's no ability, you can't bring water, at this point, into California in any real effective way! Some metropolitan areas have perhaps, a couple of years of water, but that's not really, in the kind of geological frame of reference that we have, which is a scientific approach, that if John Kennedy's proposal for NAWAPA, at that time period, his orientation which brought in these engineers and groups, these problems would not be faced.

But if we do not begin to address these kinds of problems, and emerge this kind of John Kennedy approach, we are not going to survive. And that's clear right now, in many places in California.

LAROUCHE: I think the discussion which we've had, from the beginning of this program today, or series of statements today, brings us to a point of drawing a conclusion, of what we have already presented here, should be considered the message to be delivered to not only the people of the United States, especially leading people in the United States, but also to our partners and prospective partners abroad, internationally: That we must understand, that while I am not going to be, and never was, a successful President of the United States, that nonetheless what I have done, in the absence of a necessary quality of leadership, by some President now, not obviously the incumbent one currently, but some President of the United States now, or candidate for the Presidency of the United States -- we're going to dump this bad President, now! A new President, who will pick up the themes, which are organically necessary as a change in the policy of our President, according to our original Constitution tradition, and the roots of that concept! I must speak now, in the absence of anybody else saying exactly what is necessary respecting policy of the United States, now! And my job is to, while I'm not going to be a President of the United States, I can think like the President of the United States should!

SARE: That is accurate. And I think that would be an appropriate conclusion, unless there is anything that anyone outside of Virginia wishes to add.

BILL ROBERTS: Well, I would just like to add, that I think what was done this weekend with the Kennedy memorial concert is going to have a lot of reverberations internationally. I mean, I would just share an encounter I had recently with a man from Africa, who grew up in West Africa, who had become an agricultural specialist after his experience with the Kennedy administration and their policy toward Africa, which he basically recounted, had been the only reason he didn't go home every day, starving. And there is still, this profound memory of the intention to care for the world.

I would also say right now, the young people, the young people in their turn against Obama, and their desire to break out of a post 9/11 police-state, is something that is very surprising to the older generation that young people are responding to what has been set into motion by Snowden and others against this police-state apparatus, because older people didn't expect that young people could respond to a sense of a fight against tyranny. So, I think, there's definitely some significant reverberations that we can expect to see happening.

LAROUCHE: Let me add to that, the fact that we already have, as we've summed up the reflection of our opinion in agreement today, that we have to bring a conclusion to this whole matter, to proceed immediately to a Constitutional revision, improvement, to return to our original intention as a nation, as a Constitutional nation, return to that, and present that as a prospective of our commitment to assistance to the realization of these principles on a global scale, for the benefit of all mankind, in eliminating the terrible threat of extinction, which hovers over the world, now.

SARE: I think that's a good point to conclude. I will say that everyone should be looking for your paper as soon as it's released: "A Much-Needed Global Strategy," which will be appearing soon, as soon as it's ready on the larouchepac site. And I would also say that, as it is Martin Luther King Day, President Obama is not what Martin Luther King was fighting for.

LAROUCHE: Yes.

SARE: And with that, we will see you next week.