LaRouche PAC Policy Committee, May 26, Transcript
May 27, 2014 • 5:22AM

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MATTHEW OGDEN: Good afternoon, it's May 26th, 2014. My name is Matthew Ogden, and you're joining us for our weekly discussion with the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee. Now, seeing as tomorrow is election day in Texas, we will not be joined by Kesha Rogers today; she is busy on the campaign trail. But we are joined on Google Hangouts live, by Bill Roberts, who is in Houston, and can give us an on-the ground report from there; Dave Christie, joining us from Seattle, Washington; Michael Steger, who is a candidate for United States Congress in San Francisco, and his primary is coming up a week from tomorrow; and Rachel Brown, who is originating out of Boston, Massachusetts. And then, here in the studio I am joined by Diane Sare, and by Mr. Lyndon LaRouche. So, I'm going to let you begin.

LYNDON LAROUCHE: Okay, I want to raise the question of strategy in probably what is, what most people, a fresh point of view. It's necessary, for various reasons, both necessary, because the world needs it, and United States needs, and it has to be understood properly so we've reach the point, where my position as a strategist, is as follows: First of all, my strategy flows from my responsibility for the United States. That's my first strategic point of reference. I also deal with Western Europe, the British are not exactly — the British Empire is by no means included in this treatment of strategy. The fact that the whole empire might disappear, is our target, our intention, peacefully or otherwise.

Then we have obligations in Western Europe otherwise. Now, Western Europe is different than Eastern Europe. Western Europe is now, like the United States economy, and like both Americas, and like Africa, these are presently lost causes. And will remain lost causes, until there is a victory for our strategy. And we are hopeful to be helpful to the victims of the British Empire, as well. So they are our concern, that we are responsibility for what we can do for them.

We have a large responsibility, and a strategic responsibility in Eurasia. That is, you have to divide the trends in economy, economic life, between the failure, systemic failure, since, well, the last century at least, the failure of the entire world empire otherwise, these nations. They're failures. We are concerned about their benefit, but we know that under their present regimes and habits, without our help. Therefore we go to a different part, Eurasia. Russia, despite the problems it has, with Belarus attached to it, and now, and now, the inclusion of various parts of what had been earlier called Ukraine, sometimes mistakenly, sometimes otherwise. That's one part of the Eurasian area.

Then, we have the general Asian part of the world, which we are in a sense, responsible for, in sharing that in a sense with Russia; they are a leading feature of this whole thing. China is a great power, and it has its own independent authority. It's a strategy point. Russia and China are natural allies of the United States, as of now. And also South Asia and East Asia, especially India.

So the great powers now, in the Eurasian region, as Russia, number one, in a sense in terms of being prominent; in terms of greatness of power, China has become a mutually great power; and India is only somewhat less a great power of Asia. So our concern is to bring together these nations, as our representations of the United States, to bring these other nations, which are our natural allies, not specific allies, but natural allies. And we would hope that with the collapse of the British Empire, that Europe would become, again, our natural ally.

Now, that means for us, that you have to go away from this idea of collective responsibility. Strategy means personal strategic responsibility! That the person who takes on the idea of being a strategist for a nation within the world, takes on the personal responsibility of leadership, on the matter of what strategy must be, and the personalities of those nations which are participant in this notion of strategy as allies, are all our allies, and we are responsible to share with them our intention. They will act as they choose, but we will share a common intention for the general welfare of mankind on this planet.

Now, right now, on the basis of my own practice, over a period of time, but most recently in the recent years, my role in this is crucial. Because the effect of what can be done, in terms of Russia, for example, or what can be done for Europe, in general, depends upon my strategic outlook, will it work or not? So my concern is to know what these other countries can do in terms of their own strategic role.

And therefore, our policy will be based on, not on a collective discussion, but upon a unified conception which is comparable to command. And the principle of command is not multiple. Command goes to a particular person, at a particular time. And those entities which share the command are responsible to recognize each other and collaborate accordingly, as opposed to those forces which are either indifferent, or enemies, in respect to this theme.

We have to save humanity. Our job is to save humanity. We have certain strategic partners, implicitly, who have the same ultimate intention. We hope to bring all of humanity into sharing that common intention, of the benefit of mankind. This means, that the Green policy throughout the world, is the enemy of mankind! Any Green policy, under my conception of strategy, any Green policy by any nation, is a poisonous betrayal and treason against mankind. And that's what's killing the American people, now, is the Green policy.

The Green policy is the mass-murdering instrument, created by the British Empire, our enemy, which has imposed the Green policy on the United States, through subversion. There was never a Green policy in the Constitution of the United States! So therefore, the Green policy is treason against the interests of the United States! That is our enemy! And the British Empire is our enemy. Therefore, we nations, who share common strategic interests, for the benefit of mankind as a whole, must collaborate with each other, in sharing what we think is the proper strategy, to save the population of this planet.

Because we are a Policy Committee, that is our policy. That means that the policies in the United States, for us, are determined by that strategic consideration. And therefore, we have to be very careful, first of all, in two respects: We must respect the Constitutional of the United States, period. From that, we can criticize the United States' errors, which are errors by its own standard, its own standard of constitutional standard. But we are obliged to serve that; but we will not tolerate, anything that's contrary to that. We will then see other nations which share with us, a general agreement about the planet, and humanity on the planet. That has to be identified, even publicly, on our behalf, as being our global strategic definition of policy. And we have to understand what that means.

Most people have no idea of what strategy means. Because strategy, as such, has always depended upon someone, being in a position with the knowledge to provide what the strategy of victory must be, like MacArthur in the Pacific; like the command, in Europe by the United States. In other words, everybody involved in a war, must be governed by a strategic overview. We must provide a suggested policy of strategic command, and hope that what we're doing, will result in the absolutely best possible strategic command structure. Our intention is to clean up this planet, and build it into a state of perpetual progress, free of the Green disease.

OGDEN: Well, the personal responsibility for leadership, I mean, during World War II, was Franklin Roosevelt's, the Commander in Chief, and the faithfulness to his leadership among those who even outlived him, and who are still living, a very few, makes me think about the possibility of this coalition between nations with a common interest, that you listed, the Asian and Eurasian nations, led by Russia, China, now possibly India, and the United States, and that really is an echo of the postwar, four powers, great powers alliance, that Franklin Roosevelt had envisioned, which would have, yes, defeated the Nazis, and defeated fascism, but also would have defeated the British Empire.

LAROUCHE: And this signifies that the Green policy, is the emblem of treason to the United States, historically. And the Congress better take notice: That's necessary. The Green policy must be uprooted, because without it, we can not save the United States. The destruction, ridding the nation of the Green policy, is the only thing that save the United States. There are other things that can be very helpful in that regard, but that must be: The Green policy must be destroyed! And the people freed to live!

DIANE SARE: Well, what you've done just now, is what you said last week, actually, when you referenced that you were thinking of Memorial Day, which is now, today, and the question which is not remembering the past, but, as Abraham Lincoln said, dedicating ourselves to the future, because that's the end of the British Empire, and that is the end of Green, as well. But we definitely got some help this past week, from Prince Charles, who decided it to make it very, very clear, their position, when he was in Canada, and compared Putin to Hitler. And then, the Russians, who haven't always been that clear, on the difference between the American System and the British system, became quite clear on it, and have produced documentation of the British Royals collaboration with the Nazis, going back quite a ways. And I think that's very helpful for finishing off the empire.

LAROUCHE: Yes, I think it's certainly a useful step.

OGDEN: Well, it's also important to remember that the Nazis were Green! And that eugenics was the origination of Hitler's race science, and the belief in that has led to the idea that the British Royals still defend, the reduction of the world population, starting with the interior races.

LAROUCHE: Well, the Nazi system was bred into German influence, by the British Empire! That was the Nazi system already! And the declaration by the British of the war against Bismarck, was the beginning of all world wars! So therefore, and you know, France was destroyed by this process. Italy was crushed; Spain was crushed in this whole process — the British were early on that one! Portugal is now almost disintegrated, morally and otherwise, as a result of what's been done to it. The nations of so-called northern Africa have been raped, mass-murdered!

Saudi Arabia has become a criminal, of a Satanic quality under its practice, and the extension like the Uighurs in Asia. This whole infection of a Satanic crime against the human species, among entire nations, which the British Empire has spread. How do we get these evils? The British Empire spread them. What happened to all the countries which were of nominally Islamic devotion? All of them are corrupted by the British Empire's operation, as they colonize stooges for the enemy.

So therefore, the time has come, that if we don't call the shots properly, and say, tell them the facts, straight, the way they really are, in the standpoint of history and the prospects for the future!

I think we got a good profession on our hands. [laughter]

DAVE CHRISTIE: Just to add, because I think the discussion around states' rights, has a funny air to it, in terms of how it's been defended in the nation. You know, in some ways, people originally defended around the colonies, and the identities of the specific characteristics and so on and so forth, but really what it is, pushed by the British, is a kind of feudalism. And you know, you see this in all these plans that have been posed, you know, this kind of balkanization of the planet, of the breakup of nation-states, and their reduction into little fiefdoms, and ethnic, and religious, and so forth entities; versus the concept of the foundation of this nation, which based on a principle. It was not based on some local fiefdoms or something like that.

And I think that, in the concept of states' rights, it's not always the state per se, in terms of an ideology, but what you get with the Green disease, is people, often, "well, it's just our communities, our little area, we have to look out for our little part of nature," or something like that. And that's really a reflection of this further idea of a myopic view of what it is to be human. It's an animalistic view of what it is to be human, versus the concept of a nation founded on principle.

LAROUCHE: Well, Dave, you have to recognize that the point is the Green policy, was a Nazi-like intrusion upon the Constitution of the United States. So the Greens have no right to be Greens: It's a violation of law! It's a violation of natural law, the true natural law. True natural law, is essentially true human, natural law. And the development of the human individual as a species, has the inherent right of progress, of increase in the energy-flux density per capita of the human individual! That is the principle upon which, in fact, the United States Constitution is based. It's called the principle of progress. And the British Empire is the enemy of the principle of progress! Therefore, the idea that every human being, including every citizen, every person in the United States, has the right to progress, an inherent right to progress! And the progress takes the form of the increase of the productive powers of labor, per capita and so forth.

This does not mean that Wall Street has a right to exist! In fact, Wall Street has a negative right to exist, because it does more to destroy the rights of the human beings inside the United States, than any other single cause! There's nothing that can do as much damage to the United States, and has done so much damage to the United States, as those who have followed the British Empire's policy and tried to impose that on the United States as the Confederacy did! The Confederacy was nothing but a bunch of stooges, who sold their souls to Satan, in the form of the British monarchy.

That's what happened. That's what the slave system was! The slave system was introduced even before: They take people from Africa, capture them on boats, torture them, throw them overboard if they're not useful, rape them in the meantime if they want to; send them down into the United States, as they were sent into other parts of the world, as slaves! Destroying a whole section of humanity, the entire continent of Africa, destroying them! This is inhuman! This is a crime against humanity! And all persons who partake of supporting that crime, including slavery, are evil, and must free themselves of that evil, by confessing it! And showing that they will not practice it, any more! That's our only condition.

Come into our country. We like people, we like people who fit those standards, people who are trying to meet those standards, people who are seeing an opportunity to do what is natural to human beings: to rise to a higher state, of existence, as human beings. The human mission, the intrinsic, unique human mission, that's the principle of the United States, against what Europe was at that same time.

The founding of the United States, led by Nicholas of Cusa and his circle, whose inspiration sent Columbus, who was converted to Cusa's into colonizing North America and other places. And that was the foundation to change the evil, that controlled all Europe at that time, to say the evil in Europe has too far! And Nicholas of Cusa and others said, we must go across the waters, to create distance between us and oligarchy, and we went, chiefly, in effect through Columbus's conversion to this devotion, to create what became the roots of the United States. The Massachusetts Bay Colony was a perfect expression of that. The achievement of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, even before it was crushed, the achievement, then, was it represented a representation, of the mission-orientation which had been assigned, to the discovery of American, by the circles of Nicholas of Cusa. Nicholas of Cusa represented the Renaissance, the foundations of all competent modern science, came out of that, as a systematic phenomenon, came out of that circle of people like Brunelleschi, who invented the minimum, which eliminates all simple mathematics nonsense!

Mathematics is killed dead, first by Brunelleschi, who proved the principle of the minimum, that there is no such thing as a straight line in history, or in nature. Nicholas of Cusa who solved the problem by saying, yes, but it's not only that, but there's no straight line, in terms of the Solar System: The principle of Cusa was then proven by what? By a great man, who developed all this: Kepler. Kepler was the first person to discover the existence, and prove it, of the existence of the Solar System.

The idea of stars and so forth out there, other objects floating through space, that existed before. It was treated. Eratosthenes made an approximation in that direction. But it was Kepler, who proved on the basis of the foundations, of Brunelleschi and of Cusa, who solved the problem of defining the Solar System. All science, to this day, all true science, in civilization today, has depended upon that triad of the minimum, the maximum, and the whole.

And therefore, that's what we in the United States have inherited, largely from, the Golden Renaissance, which lifted humanity out of the murderous past of it, out of the Roman Empire, which really could be called the Zeusian Empire, but it was actually the Satanic Empire. Because the Zeus was the Greek name, but Satan was a European name, in a sense.

So therefore, these principles, are principles. And when I talk about strategy, from a human standpoint, that's what I mean. What is the principle that defines humanity? The principle that defines man as being something other than a beast? It is only that conception. The conception that mankind, naturally, is the only voluntary living creature, which has ever been able to raise its nature to a higher level, through the magic of chemistry, the increase of the higher energy-flux density, which mankind himself, by his activity within Earth, within the Solar System, creates, as we call "progress."

Mankind is the only, progressive living species we know. And therefore, mankind and man's need, is the only standard of true and justice; everything else is screw-ball, or even evil.

OGDEN: You know, we had a fascinating discussion with Jason Ross last night, concerning the Riemann habilitation dissertation.

LAROUCHE: Ah, yes, he's good at it.

OGDEN: Yeah, it was a national discussion. We worked through aspects of it, and Jason focussed very heavily on what he does in the beginning, to uproot everything since Euclid, and then, what he does at the end, to say, you can not confine yourself any more to the department of mathematics, but you have to move into the domain of physics.

And what became clear, is that Riemann opened the door, where he said, you have to get outside, of space as you experience it, in order to discover what creates that space. And to discover what creates it can not be discovered from inside of your experience.

What I found very interesting, is that you've been doing the same thing with time. And in order to understand what creates times, not just as an experience or a chronology, you've been bringing in the aspect of Vernadsky. And the dominant role that the human mind has to play in the hierarchy, of what creates and organizes the universe.

LAROUCHE: There's a whole series of papers, small, in corners of documents and so forth, and one major piece, which is consolidated, which he presents, and that defined the whole... it was the first time, that this concept, which is actually a natural concept, was ever understood. And, of course, he was limited by the fact, hew s getting older, and was wearing down as he died. But, for example, during the war, World War II, he was actually the leading organizer, of the mineral armed defense weapons system...

OGDEN: Strategic minerals.

LAROUCHE: Yeah. He was a strategic designer, which was crucial for the victory of Russia over Adolf Hitler. It was Russia that defeated Hitler, more than anything else. And it was Vernadsky, who was trusted greatly, and admired — Stalin admired greatly! — who actually organized the necessary strategic defense of Russia, during that period.

So, the point of Vernadsky is not that he's an also-ran and scientist or something. Vernadsky was actually, as an individual scientist, became the center of organization strategically, for all mankind, today!

And that's the way you have to look at things! I mean, this guy — his genius was unexcelled! He was the one to recognize, you can no longer talk about time as the basis for human existence; you have to look at human existence as the measure of time! That is, the progress of human existence, the development of the human species to higher and higher energy-flux densities, that's history! That's the only true history.

And that's the kind of thing that Kesha will, in her work during today, tomorrow, and the aftermath, will be pushing — how? By discussing with me? No, she doesn't need that discussion: She has it already built into her system, automatically! And whatever she comes out with, she should win. And however they try to cheat her, and they certainly have tried as hard as ever been seen on this planet, when she comes out of that, what she does, however that's counted, after tomorrow, she is a heroine. A historical heroine who played a key part in changing the course of history, for the better! Because the whole United States will be transformed; the Democratic Party will be leave Obama, because of the implication; and we hope that Bill Clinton's influence will also contend to that effect. And that, I think, is history, and that's what our mission has to be, today.

RACHEL BROWN: Well, that's the only way to act in the noösphere, is to act outside of what's existing, and that's what Kesha has demonstrated with her campaign. It's not saying what either of the parties are saying, all of which are controlled and essentially the same thing, saying there's not really an economic collapse, things are OK, Obama's not that bad... I mean, frankly, both parties are saying the same thing.

She said: BS, the physical reality is, we're finished unless Obama's out, and we're not going to accept the media line that says we can't do, the only thing that actually will change the situation. So, yeah, she moved people's minds, through her leadership and optimism, into a new potential, because she was willing to say something that was outside of what's existing in this fixed system.

LAROUCHE: Yep, that's exactly it.

BILL ROBERTS: Yeah, I can report, over this Memorial Day weekend, what I've been seeing, on Saturday, Kesha was constantly on the move, we were intersecting a bunch of different groups. But I think what was in common was that in each case, there were people that were clearly transformed, personally transformed, by Kesha, in a way that was — yeah, in a way that was clearly life-changing. I saw, at a VFW hall, big burly guys, who were just moved beyond belief, by everything that Kesha's been doing. And they've just been following her fight on the question of exactly what we discussed last night: Here you have the military, retired military who are sitting in hospitals, World War II veterans, who are sitting in hospitals, not being treated, because you've had this process of a discarding of them by the cuts to the VA system that's been happening progressively since the Bush administration, through this current President, you know, a sense of throwing these people away! And then, you had Kesha spoke to a Hispanic group, and brought up this question of the need to actually think in terms of being part of a nation, who must revive the commitment to the Kennedy/FDR idea of the progress, without which, what they see as their issues, immigration issues, and so forth, can't be addressed adequately. And again, people were extremely moved by being challenged, to actually fight the way that Kesha's laid this out.

And a very similar thing happened at an event of the dedication of the first memorial to Dr. Martin Luther King, inside the African-American community in Houston: Again, people were just extremely challenged by having to actually thinks about — I mean, here you had a dedication to Martin Luther King, and people were arguing to Kesha and our organizers that they somehow have to go along with Obama, and were challenged on how inconsistent that is, with the mission of Dr. Martin Luther King.

But I think what this all kind of gets to, what I'm getting at here, is the transformative effect of what Kesha's doing, is in the realization that history and politics can and must be shaped, by the transformation of individuals to recognize this principle of immortality, which really is the keystone on which this nation was founded. And sometimes it happens only in a few individuals, first, but that's what really propagates something which goes against the current of what we've been seeing.

LAROUCHE: Notably.

OGDEN: Mike, I understand Kesha Rogers is going to be flying to San Francisco this weekend on the heels of her primary tomorrow.

MICHAEL STEGER: Yeah, that's true: We're going to take up California after Texas.

LAROUCHE: I'm not sure it's "heels." It may be wings!

OGDEN: On the wings, there you go! [laughter]

STEGER: On the wings of Kesha Rogers, hopefully.

You know, the one thing, Lyn that really stands out, what you said at the beginning, that this Green policy is actual treason to the United States and the Constitution. I mean, you see it, when you talk to the younger generation. What you see when you encounter these young people is that this Green culture has been imposed on them, it's been imposed on everyone! You can't counter it. it's like a fascist imposition, people know it's wrong, they know these windmills, these solar panels, this idea of carbon in the atmosphere is somehow killing the planet, it's all insane, it's all a marketing ploy to reduce the population, and it's shoved down their throats.

But what you see with young people, is that the idea that mathematics is first imposed on them, and that that becomes the basis of science, if you're willing to submit to the cult of mathematics, then you're able to participate in so-called "science," which is no longer science! It becomes this cult, like Bertrand Russell established in 1900: There is no scientific thought. The whole Green movement is premised simply on mathematics!

And that's why Vernadsky's so interesting: I think this work you're referencing, Scientific Thought as a Planetary Phenomenon, Vernadsky did not identify science as mathematics! He identified it from exactly what you're saying: This Cusa tradition, a sense of ideas, a sense of hypothesis, a sense of the universe, and universal principles, that's the actual basis of scientific thought as a planetary phenomenon.

And young people in this culture are imposed with this Green agenda, because of a basis of mathematical brainwashing. And that really is, the shift you're making in 1900, really is also a sense of treason against the United States, much like this Green program is. And that there's a real fight, if we open that canister up, which Kesha's campaign, this kind of historical period in we're in can do, you really unleash a kind of quality of the human spirit, that parallels, or is relevant to this kind of opportunity for mankind to develop. You see the same kind of thing in China. What Helga, your wife referenced yesterday, with Deng Xiaoping in China: You shut down this Maoist Cultural Revolution, you go back to a scientific commitment, and you're beginning to unleash a kind of optimism, around Beethoven and Mozart, around real science, around developing Africa, which is consistent with the real nature of the human spirit — that's Vernadsky! That's scientific thought, that kind of optimism.

And I think people in the United States are craving that kind of question: That's what Kesha's able to unleash right now, and that's what we've got to do generally.

LAROUCHE: True.

OGDEN: The Greens would say that Prometheus made a mistake: That Prometheus never should have given mankind fire. And they would like to repeal that action.

LAROUCHE: Well, maybe if they want that, we can burn them! [laughter] But they'll burn themselves.

SARE: I was thinking about Prince Philip, saying he wants to come back as a deadly virus. I mean that is totally Green! [crosstalk] Exactly! He doesn't know the difference between a human and a virus!

LAROUCHE: Naturally, it's his species! He misinterprets the word "virulent." [laughter]

STEGER: It's interesting, Megan Beets did an article on how fusion was taken down, and one of the leading scientists at Livermore, leading the idea of a fusion energy program back in the 1950s and 1960s, identified explicitly that the breakthrough on fusion was an even more profound breakthrough that Prometheus' discovery and introduction of the principle of the fire to mankind. I mean people had a sense of this, this was the fight!

LAROUCHE: Yes, it still is, as far as I'm concerned!

BROWN: On this question you brought up earlier, on natural law as opposed to lower law, I was just reminded of what Nicholas of Cusa said in De Pace Fidei, when he said that the 17 major religions of the planet, they're not going to be unified by their practices, but that there's a common, true religion, which is above any of the separate practices and traditions of each religions, and that that higher religion is knowable to the mind through reason.

Anyway, I just thought that that — and this idea that Russia, China, India, that there's a certain commonality of interest amongst these different regions of the planet, I think that that is an essential principle to keep in mind, to create this level of progress.

LAROUCHE: The emphasis of your argument is actually very useful here: It is precise, it's correct. Absolutely correct, but it's useful to emphasize it in that form.

OGDEN: Yeah. Well, Cusa was also engaged, as you referenced Vernadsky and his strategic role, that was also Cusa's role: He was engaged in the strategy of the time. You've referenced, obviously, the execution of Joan of Arc, and the context of that in the oligarchical wars that had subsumed the European continent; and then, that being the trigger, which was the impetus behind the Council of Florence. And Cusa's role to try to unify East and West, not only into the two churches, but also Cusa, and Toscanelli, and others, were meeting with representatives from China, who had travelled via the Silk Road, and travelled via the overland routes, to say, we want to bring the Asian culture and the European culture together: This was the first "Eurasian" dialogue. And Cusa saying, we're going to go west, to reach these Eastern cultures, was to unify the entire globe with this strategic idea. And China, India, Russia, they were all involved, at that time, and this is now, still the fight.

LAROUCHE: Yeah.

OGDEN: You know, the other thing, that people forget about, often, is the role that Gottfried Leibniz played, with a very similar outlook on the world, but his influence on Benjamin Franklin, and on the Massachusetts Bay Colony, your reference to these, it's not in any way a distinct kind of thing. That Leibniz was directly the influence on the ability of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, to, in terms of the productive powers of labor, outstrip the British Empire at that time, in a way that was completely unprecedented in history.

LAROUCHE: You make it clear, because you have to think about how Leibniz came into what he became as Leibniz, what we expressed. And he was part of the elements of the French kingdom, at that time, which had actually picked up against opposing forces, and had picked up on the tradition of the Renaissance. And this involved some very important Cardinals, who were leaders in backing this process.

OGDEN: Right, and brought an end to the Thirty Years' War and created the basis for the Treaty of Westphalia.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, exactly. And Leibniz was in the middle of this whole process, and tied to the leading individuals, with whom he worked, in France and elsewhere, to get this thing going. And the fight with Leibniz was, against the enemy! And he would rip them apart! You take his Collected Works, even as I have, them, he ripped them apart! And he created the basis, for really, a systemic, scientific basis, in Europe, such that when the enemy was trying to take over and establish what became the British Empire, which was actually then, the Dutch empire, they trembled. Because, they wouldn't act, until they had confirmed message that Leibniz had just died.

And so, it was the death of Leibniz, which made the whole issue. The fact is, that he was unique, in terms of his role within the legacy of great attempt of the Renaissance. And everything came from that. And from that came, what Benjamin Franklin and so forth, who was a perfect continuation of this idea, starting from very elementary conditions, but with the backing of the great founders of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. So this was the legacy.

The problem was that the rape of the Massachusetts Bay Colony by the Dutch tyrants, actually created a vacuum, in which the continuity of the original Massachusetts Bay citizens was tempered and demeaned of its needs. And so, in this case, you have a perfect continuity, in historical process of facts — and the other thing about this is, you know, people talk about "cultures." Now, cultures are simply the products of human individuals. And the influence of human individuals on other human individuals, the discoverers of principle, as principle as such, are the source of all good of humanity. It's the individual personality, who is obliged, if they can, to set the pace which moves mankind, either a notch up ahead, or picks up and goes back and starts again, for the same purpose later on.

CHRISTIE: You know, actually, that concept which really, a lot of what Leibniz, Leibniz's work with Bernoulli on even the Kepler problem, in terms of digging through some of that, you begin to see that a lot what underlies this, is this quality of progress, both up and down, and it ends up, in some ways it takes the, maybe you'd say, the mathematical forms around the exploration of logarithms and so forth, but it really gets down to that question of the progress. And I think what you've said on this question of time is important, because even what Kepler does, where he identifies the equal area/equal time, but in really doing so, it's not just simply a mathematical statement, it's saying: Time, if it's determined in that way, is related to a physical process. And obviously every physical process, is either in some process of growth, or in some process of decay, and what we see with human interaction is, we determine that it should be in the process of growth.

And you begin to realize that, whatever these guys are looking at in terms of the physical universe, it's embedded in how they think about mankind's relationship to the universe, in terms of these growth processes. And that that is actually, how, if we view time from that standpoint, you're looking at the cycles determining the time, and not the tick-tock, tick-tock of time. But you have to see time as coming from a process of development or decay in case.

LAROUCHE: Yep. Well, the point is, sometimes, some people believe too much in descent, rather than ascent. [laughter]

OGDEN: That can take two forms!

SARE: Dogs believe in that.

LAROUCHE: That's the point, it's that simple. The human individual is the responsible agent in society. But human individuals are obliged, morally, to collaborate with other persons, to promote the discoveries, which lead to the advancement of mankind. It's like the individual chemist, for example, who makes a discovery in the field of chemistry, well the action of that chemist, or so-called chemist at that point, is that the chemist introduces a concept of nature, which has not been created, in fact, beforehand. Now, he may seem like a little, individual chemist, in terms of making that kind of discovery, but he opens up a new step.

And now, we've come into, in modern times, into a much more powerful step. We no longer limit ourselves, or should not limit ourselves, to the so-called table of chemistry. We've fuddled around with that thing, in trying to find out all these different variations on that idea of the unitary conception of the elements. But then, we said, there is no such thing as an element, per se! There is a process, because elements are transformed, either into a lower, or dying, or higher form. And therefore, instead of thinking of individual, even though the manifestation of these different states as discrete states, is accurate, the question is, a discrete state is only a way of expressing a higher process which is the succession of lower states to higher states.

OGDEN: Part of a higher continuum.

LAROUCHE: That's right! That's exactly what happens in the animal kingdom. But in the animal kingdom, it happens only accidentally, by human standards. In the human kingdom, it acts by an act of will by the human individual, that creates humanity — and is responsible for humanity.

So the problem is, our people are mis-educated, especially since Satan himself came in in the form of Bertrand Russell, that we've been fooled for over a century, by the suckers who believed in Bertrand Russell, and the puke he promoted.

So, the question is, strategy, to come back to that subject, strategy is the matter of just exactly that. And I think, in the case of Vernadsky, which all too few people really know, the impact of Vernadsky's teachings, if they were properly presented, would shock even many Russians, who are supposed to be advocates of his. But the power of Vernadsky's conception of mankind, is one of the greatest powers of thought, which has ever existed, in mankind so far.

OGDEN: And he was doing battle directly against an advocate, a disciple of Bertrand Russell, Oparin. And Oparin was attempting to prove that precisely the opposite, that mankind is not a unique species, it's just an epiphenomenon of just a bunch of abiotic elements.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, probabilistic construction.

OGDEN: Right!

STEGER: Another key factor, and you've raised this before, Lyn, is, at the same time as Russell, you had the death of Brahms. But the problem that people think of with music, is they think: "Oh, that's unfortunate, Brahms died, we didn't have a continued legacy." But this fight around music has also been of the highest political nature. I mean, if you take the example of what Bach introduced, following Leibniz's death, they had this Newton operation, they tried to mathematize the calculus, right after Leibniz died, a kind of Bertrand Russell operation. But what Bach introduced, for the next few decades, were some of the greatest creative breakthroughs in mankind, really began to transform as a political process, as a social process, exactly what you're saying, an ability to collaborate around ideas, to the advancement of mankind. And that kind of process is of a political nature, it's not just of "do we create good music, or do we have the trash we have today?" This was by intent, along with Russell, a destruction of a higher sense of music, of a higher sense of ideas.

And that's got to be part of what we unleash today, is this real Renaissance in human thought.

LAROUCHE: It's the noëtic principle, that you don't live to defend what you are; you insist on, what you must make yourself become. And the person who does not participate, in creating the state of the future, has not yet realized what it means to be a human being! Children, for example, were, or used to be, customary in that form. The characteristic of the child was in a decent family and surrounding, the family would constantly improve, from one state of mind to the next one, a higher one! The whole idea of the educational system was to go from babyhood, infancy, up through various stages, and the whole school system, the idea of a school system, was based on grades, which are merely stepping stones, one to the other by their intention, to lead to scientific progress beyond anything that the school had yet produced! And the idea of the teacher was supposed to be more educated, by educating than their students, than by themselves. By seeing the successes of a child, in grasping higher orders of the concepts which the child had not possessed earlier, and seeing the child coming into intellectual powers which the child had not had, and the sustaining of the child, in doing that! People, before they die, they should be getting smarter all the time, in that way, in that sense.

And it's that cultural thing, which is the very essence of the very creation of the Constitution of the United States, which must be recognized for us as our law of the United States, which it really was the intention — until some people decided, "well, yes, that's a good idea, but we want to make some money, in the meantime." We'll make money from the foreigners, and the foreigners ate them, especially the British Empire.

There was no evil in this planet, of any significance, during the time of the American Revolution, except the British influence. The British Empire is Satan incarnate. And you must never forget that: My Scottish ancestors knew that as well!

OGDEN: And you've made the point that there's been repeated Presidents who have sold out, to the British Empire, and betrayed their own nation.

LAROUCHE: Yeah, but also went on with Irish. You see what happens, you know, these British creatures, infect all these nice people, and confuse them, and make them suckers for some British scheme. And it's terrible. It must be cease, now, immediately.

OGDEN: Well, there was a real earthquake there, over the weekend. The government, which was collaborating with the British to impose this kind of austerity program, got completely overthrown, and the Sinn Fein and nationalist parties, the Republican parties, won the biggest vote that they ever had in almost a century. So, this was a real earthquake for...

LAROUCHE: That's a fascinating thought, I think!

OGDEN: So, I think we can anticipate something similar happening in Texas tomorrow!

LAROUCHE: It think it is happening already.

OGDEN: Yeah, the precursors to the earthquake.

LAROUCHE: Right! They tremble first... and then... the real thing! [laughter]

OGDEN: All right: Is there anything to add from out there? If not, I think there's a lot of work to be done, so, we've got all eyes on Texas. We're anticipating what happens tomorrow, and it's very good to have...

LAROUCHE: The eyes of Texas are upon you!

OGDEN: There you go! So thanks a lot. Stay tuned.