LaRouche PAC Policy Committee, July 21, 2014, Transcript
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MATTHEW OGDEN: Good afternoon. It's July 21st, 2014. My name is Matthew Ogden, and your joining us for our weekly discussion with the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee. We're broadcasting today over Google Hangouts On Air, and we're joined over video conference by our Policy Committee around the country, starting with: Bill Roberts, who is joining us from Detroit, Michigan; Dave Christie, who is currently with us from Seattle, Washington; Kesha Rogers, who is down in Houston, Texas; Michael Steger, who's joining us from San Francisco, California — hi, Michael; and Rachel Brown, who's joining us from Boston, Massachusetts. And as you can see, I'm joined in the studio here, by Diane Sare.

Now, the seven of us just had a discussion with Mr. LaRouche right before getting on this broadcast, and he had a very clear message that he wanted the Policy Committee to convey. So I'm going to ask Diane to just go through what Mr. LaRouche's remarks were.

DIANE SARE: What Mr. LaRouche wants made very, very clear is that the Policy Committee in collaboration with him, is going to make sure that the organization is on a single, focussed trajectory to get done in the immediate short term, the implementation of Glass-Steagall and the Four Laws, the three other laws that are part of this; and that obviously, we can not rely on President Obama to do anything of the sort. He is absolutely dysfunctional and has to be removed from office. But that given the state of the world at the current moment, and we are at the breakpoint, these Four Laws are the number 1 single priority, starting with the implementation of Glass-Steagall. And that as soon as Glass-Steagall is passed, immediately is put into question, what do you do next? Which is the question of National Banking, credit, and science-driver for thermonuclear fusion.

But there can't be any other secondary issues, side issues, lack of focus on this, this is absolutely the course of action that's necessary in the United States for the future of mankind.

OGDEN: Right. And as a Policy Committee, this is the vehicle for the LaRouche Political Action Committee to say that this is agenda, and nothing but. And this this what the Congress is going to do, without regard to ifs, ands, or buts. I think the idea that LaRouche has laid out very clearly: here's what has to be done, 1, 2, 3, 4, in rapid- order of succession, starting with Glass-Steagall, which is then immediately followed by the implementation of a new system of money in this country. And that new system of money is going to be based on high energy-flux density and high-productivity employment. And this is the fusion driver-program that you just mentioned and Mr. LaRouche says, this is the way and the only way, that the United States can be saved from disaster. So I think that's the basis for our discussion here, today.

KESHA ROGERS: Yes, and I think that listeners should also know that with that escalation, we will have a delegations in Washington, D.C., this week being led up by members of the Policy Committee, to really take the gloves off on Congress, no compromising. What the reality is, is that we're in the midst of thermonuclear war. And you can see that by the escalations that's going on, with the Gaza Strip conflict, what's going on with the insanity around Ukraine and elsewhere. But importantly, as Mr. LaRouche has said, this system is coming to an end, and as pointed out, there is going to be nothing that's going to be done of any type of importance to address this breakdown crisis, as long as Obama's in office, and as long as people are side-tracking on the Four Laws which Mr. LaRouche has very prominently put forward as the only strategic solution to dealing with this crisis.

And let me just point out something that I'd like to throw into the discussion, which people may have seen, and we can get further discussion on this: The BRICS conference. That many people are realizing that the BRICS conference that just took place in Brazil, with the five leading nations, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, that this is a new direction for mankind, and what's interesting about it, to break with the IMF system, to break with the system of the World Bank, globalization and so forth.

But what is also interesting is that, as economic columnist Liam Halligan pointed out on this BRICS conference took place around the 70th anniversary of the Bretton Woods conference, which is going to be tomorrow, July 22. It was in July 22, 1944 that the Bretton Woods conference was held. And this is what Mr. LaRouche is saying once again about the collapse of the dollar. You know, how do you get the U.S. dollar to have value again? The only way you're going to do this, is to reverse what was done under Nixon, with the takedown of the Bretton Woods system, and go back to a fixed-exchange rate system. And that goes hand-in-hand with what Mr. LaRouche is proposing for his four point solution, Glass-Steagall, and then driving forward with the National Bank, federal credit, and a fusion energy driver economy.

So I think that that really has set the stage, this conference, for everything that LaRouche has been putting on the front burner, and has been fighting for, should I say, for the last 40 years, and most prominently right now, for his four points.

RACHEL BROWN: And on that, the point was made that these are not just largely bilateral agreements, hence the creation of an international development bank, the New Development Bank; it's not just for five nations, it's actually for every developing nation, and absolutely with the United States included in the invitation, maybe not at the particular bank, but in the economic agreements, of the nuclear power projects, the United States would be absolutely invited to be part of this, should we remove our puppet in the White House, Barack Obama from this seat. And this is the message, you know, as discussed, we will be giving clearly to Congress and the American people this: There are no other issues, other than these four steps, because there's no solution in any other direction.

The financial system is bankrupt. The spirit just Espirito Santo [bank] and we must get rid of this bad debt that's — you know, Mr. LaRouche said, these are gambling of "buckets of rags," that's what all this debt means, it's nothing. There's real in development of the productive powers, and this is what the United States knows clearly in its history. This is the 45th anniversary of the landing on the Moon, of the Apollo astronauts, and this is our history.

So the United States, this is a question of the creative principle of mankind versus an oligarchical system. And that's what's coming into play with this new system, but the question is, will the United States, will North and South America join with the progress that is emerging on the planet? And we have to.

DAVE CHRISTIE: What Kesha referenced with the New Bretton Woods is very much to the point of what we're dealing with right now. Because the Bretton Woods system was in discussion after the war, and we know, from the fight between Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill, as covered in As He Saw It, by Elliott Roosevelt, and others that knew the hatred that Roosevelt had for not only the fascist system, but the colonial system of the British Empire. And Roosevelt had stated relatively clearly to Churchill, that: Look, Winston, we didn't fight a war against fascist economic slavery with the Nazis, to have a similar have a fascist economic slavery with the colonial system; and that after this war, then, he would set up a new world, where nations would be free from this colonial system of the British, and the French, and the Empire as a whole.

And that really was the fight after the Bretton Woods. And the establishment of the IMF, the establishment of the United Nations, with the IMF and the World, were actually supposed to be from that standpoint, under what Roosevelt would have thought was fighting for. But unfortunately, it was John Maynard Keynes who came in, perhaps clouded by — maybe he was spending more time looking for new outfits for his cross-dressing ensemble, so maybe he wasn't very clear on the economic side of things. But anyway, what he wanted to implement was to use the IMF and the World Bank as what we've now seen them become, which is simply the means for enforcing debt slavery by the British Empire.

And so here you have coming out of this BRICS conference the establishment of the new development banks, which is very clearly based on a an idea that credit will be supplied for nations for their development, to get free of the colonial system. And I think what the key marker of how this dovetails with what Mr. LaRouche has laid out with the aspect, is that the heavy emphasis at the BRICS conference on nuclear power, which inherently flies in the face of the British imperial policy of the Green agenda, which says, there won't be development, you'll be our debt slaves, we might give a little bit of a loan, but at these conditionalities which means you can't actually develop.

But the heavy emphasis on nuclear power goes right to the core of what LaRouche very clearly identifies in his Four Laws program, concerning the emphasis on Vernadsky: That if you look at mankind from the standpoint of chemistry, it has to be progress, defined by higher orders of energy-flux density. And I think that has always been known. I was somewhat struck — my wife was reading some Mendeleyev, who was very connected to the development of the Trans-Siberian Railroad, not only as a scientist to help develop chemistry, in terms of the periodic table of elements, but was very connected to economic development for his nation and other nation. And actually, he has a very scathing attack on the British free-trade system. He goes into this attack on Ricardo and Adam Smith, saying, well, sure, it sounds all nice in theory, but when it actually comes to practice, it doesn't work. And he then contrasts that to those that pursue a nationalist policy, and specifically the industrial advancement.

So you begin to see that fight in Russia, the best side of that, that we see coming out of the BRICS orientation, some of economists in Russia that identify with LaRouche, and not the London banking crowd, but they actually have this foundation in the American System, in what Hamilton laid out, and what Henry Carey, the economic advisor of Abraham Lincoln, that that tradition and that dialogue that had occurred in what was somewhat of a long dialogue, but it goes right to that core of what FDR and Churchill fought about, which is: Are we going to have a system of sovereign nations, committed to development, or are we going to have a real colonial system which has developed since Bretton Woods?

SARE: I just wanted to throw in one thing and then get back to what you're saying about Keynes, which is, first of all, everything who's watching should know that this week, we did get over 600 people on that conference call on Thursday night. And all those of you who are watching this, who were supposed to get on, and didn't, or who did, should plan to be on this Thursday at 9 p.m. Eastern, and also there's another call, for the moment, for the West Coast. But you can call into our headquarters as it's indicated on the website to find out. But it's really crucial in this period, that we absolutely maximize the number of American citizens in every congressional district, who can light a fire under the rear ends of these Congressmen. We are not here to flatter them: We have to get a job done. Civilization depends on it. As Kesha said, we're facing thermonuclear war and a breakdown of the entire global system. And happily, because of LaRouche's work over the last 40 years, there is a new system well under way, very advanced actually, which the United States could be joining and leading, were we to get Obama thrown out and to get this Congress to pass Glass-Steagall on an emergency basis. So we need that activation.

Secondly, I just want to say, this thing about Keynes — I mean, the guy was, he was a total sex pervert, keeping lines in his diary on all of various activities, and in his book, he said that the best system in which to implement my economics is under Hitler, under a fascist dictatorship. This is not, and I just really want to smash this, because when you say "Bretton Woods," you have all these academic idiots who say, "Oh, yes! Keynes!" And the answer is: "No!"

Franklin Roosevelt had a very profound understanding of the American System of Alexander Hamilton. He had studied Hamilton. He was somewhat hamstrung in spite of the Pecora Commission, in putting some of these bankers in jail, Wall Street still had a very big influence, so he had to do things in a way that may not have been his preference.

But his commitment was to American System of Hamilton and I think that has to be very clear. And what was set in motion at Bretton Woods, in terms of fixed-exchange rates, and various commitments to physical economic growth, is American System, and it is not Keynesian economics. And people hadn't been so dumbed down by the shift that Mr. LaRouche keeps talking about in the turn of the century into 1900, with the collapse of science, except for a handful of fighters, whom we've spoken of: Einstein, Vernadsky, Planck, people would be able to think better.

So, I just think, we can't be hard enough on this Keynesian crap.

OGDEN: I also just want to emphasize: We are in a war against the British Empire at this point, and it's really an end-game war. The reason why we have to demand, as a Policy Committee, and as LaRouche Political Action Committee, that it's these Four Laws, and is because it is an order of battle. This is how you win, and there's no other option; there are no other alternatives. There's no compromising with this enemy.

And so, Glass-Steagall immediately, has to be followed, number 2, by the return to a National Bank system that Alexander Hamilton defined and Abraham Lincoln implemented with his National Banking and the greenbacks.

Then, we have to immediately use the American System and use this credit system to get tons of U.S. Treasury-directed credit into high-technology, high-productivity employment projects, to get the American population back to work.

And then, number 4, all of this has got to be driven by a fusion driver crash program with that as the highest form of Promethean fire that is accessible to man at this point.

And this is has been LaRouche's fight for 40, if not more, years. It's very important that people are taking the occasion to look at, yes, the 70th anniversary of Bretton Woods, which is, as Kesha said, coming up tomorrow. But also, look, 1971 was when Mr. LaRouche emerged on the international scene as the only economist who forecast the collapse of Bretton Woods! The elimination of Bretton Woods. And following that point, with his debate against Abba Lerner in Queens College, New York, Mr. LaRouche has been clearly defining every single step along the way in this war to save civilization. Nineteen seventy-five was when Mr. LaRouche first defined the International Development Bank, which should be resonating in everybody's minds with this New Development Bank that was just created in South America this past week: that was 1975.

Nineteen eighty-two is when Mr. LaRouche wrote the program called Operation Juárez, commissioned by the President of Mexico for all the nations of South America to implement.

Nineteen eighty-nine was when Mr. LaRouche created the Strategic Triangle, as what should have emerged after the collapsed of the Berlin Wall. This was what Mrs. Helga LaRouche was on tour, in hundreds of conferences around the world to bring into being.

In 1997 and 1998, influenced the United States Presidency, once again, and said, now's the time to implement the New Bretton Woods. And remember, Clinton, in the middle of his impeachment, was bringing up the idea of a "new financial architecture" at the CFR in New York in 1998. And then, the 2000s have been defined by the Eurasian Land-Bridge, and now you've got Mr. LaRouche on scene, saying: "It's these Four Laws, 1, 2, 3, 4, that's what the United States has to do."

And I'll just emphasize that it really is a war, and the British Empire is not going to go down without a fight. Look, 1975, the International Development Bank: What happened to Indira Gandhi, the leader of the Non-Aligned Movement, she was killed. Nineteen eighty-two, Operation Juárez, what happened to López Portillo, the President of Mexico? He was ousted from power, from the Presidency of Mexico. Nineteen eight-nine, Herrhausen was killed in Germany, we know that; Mr. LaRouche himself was thrown into prison as a political prisoner. Nineteen ninety-eight, as I said, Clinton was impeached! And it goes on and on and on.

And now we see the danger, right now, the British Empire, using their puppet Barack Obama, is willing to go to the point of threatening, and even launching a thermonuclear war, to stop what is happening, in potential right now. So people have to follow these marching orders, very clearly: These are the Four Laws, 1, 2, 3, 4, as LaRouche has defined it, and in no other way.

MICHAEL STEGER: I think that's sharp. I think that's the right point, and the question that comes up, people have this line in their head, there's this noise that says, "well, Congress has been so inept, they've been so without any ability to pass even basic legislation. There's no commitment from Congress. D.C. is so dysfunctional." And the question is, that Yes! Of course, that's obvious! At this point in time, given what you've laid out, what was laid out in the Friday webcast, we have a question of two systems: One is world war and human extinction, extermination, and the other one, which most people can't imagine; they have no real relationship to it right now, and that's the biggest problem, is a world based on this BRICS development, of the United States involvement, of these Four Laws and total development.

And I think people have to get in their sense, these next two weeks, drop this practical crap! Drop the idea, "well, Congress is dysfunctional, so it's probably not going to happen." That's a waste of time! You've got two weeks to make Congress and put it in terms that, as Lyn said, "you're not leaving this room until Glass-Steagall is passed and the next three laws are going to follow from that process. Get Glass-Steagall, then you get the new money system, then you get a money system for productive employment, then you get a money system for advanced energy-flux density. But you move on Glass-Steagall, you move on Obama's removal, and these next two weeks are critical. And anything else is unacceptable at this point." That's the fight, Congress has got to move, and we've got to get in there with a strong intervention.

And the American people should get on the Thursday call, they should call up their Congressmen, they should back the LaRouche PAC intervention into Washington, D.C. Because what we've seen these last two weeks is unprecedented: Both last week with the BRICS development, the week prior and the intervention on impeachment. These next two weeks have shaped up to be that kind of critical juncture, and we shall not waste them.

ROGERS: And let me just add, that we are demanding to Congress, "No recess until Obama is permanently recessed," and everybody in the population should demand the same.

CHRISTIE: And I think we have to put the fire to the arse of these Congressmen. You have to have a certain irreverence to this, because they need to act. And so, just to be clear on that.

STEGER: I mean, this is victory. We've defined victory. Victory was defined by the BRICS development. It's an unprecedented definition of mankind's — talk about life preserver, or life raft! This is a new system! This is a whole new ship! It's like, next to the Titanic collapsing, which we are! This system is dead! You just look at this nation, you look at our policies, look at what's happening across the country. We're dying, this is a sinking ship! And all of a sudden, you've got this other ship developed, which comes by and says, "Look, here's a new system, based on nuclear power, based on development, based on national sovereignty."

I really like what [Indian Prime Minister Narendra] Modi said, that in the deep ethos of Indian culture, which we know goes back thousands of years, is that we are one species. We are one mankind. We are one humanity on this planet. That really has been scientifically defined by Vernadsky, that's what we have to fight for right now. And these next two weeks are absolutely critical as a juncture! This is the kind of period, where, you leave Obama in, you don't take responsibility, this whole thing falls apart, and you're responsible. It's your watch! This is your watch, Congress! That's got to be the perspective.

CHRISTIE: Yeah, I think, just in terms of this "irreverence" to this Congress, similarly to the media. I mean, there should be a certain outrage at the insanity of blaming Putin for shooting down this jetliner. I mean, this is about the most absurd accusations that are coming out. And you get this quality of the Nazi Big Lie, the idea that we're just going to assert this and just ram it down people's throats. And when there's been no evidence, no anything.

But you also get a sense of what this is as the drive for war. But at a certain point, you've got to just think, sit back and look at the absurdity of it. Here, President Putin is, organizing and negotiating contracts for major developments with the BRICS nations, to pull people out of poverty, and then, you know, just for kicks has to shoot down a jetliner or something like this.

So, just, forget the media, forget the Congress: Tell the truth, say what we need to say, and lead.

BILL ROBERTS: Yeah, I would say at this point, Congress has accepted the idea that Obama's going to rule; he's got a pen and he's got a phone. And to the degree that they're caving into the idea that they're not going to impeach Obama, that the Republicans are going to wait for an election, I mean, frankly this line that impeachment would cost a lot and nothing would get done in the Congress. What's getting done in the Congress now? They're absolutely paralyzed!

And the only way you can deal with this, is if you have a commitment to the Congress' moving. So, we've got to just break this impasse — there's a certain amount of rhetoric out there, which is just crazy. And we just have to move in and set the agenda right now. This thing isn't going to work any other way.

ROGERS: Let me just make one point on what Dave just said, which I think has to be very clear, with anybody, our listeners and so forth, in terms of the Malaysian airline crash: There shouldn't be any speculation whatsoever as to what happened. I think what President Putin, in particular, in Russia is calling for, in terms of saying there needs to be a full investigation into this plane crash, under the auspices of the International Civil Aviation Organization, or ICAO. That no one should be pointing fingers anywhere, until there's some sort of investigation, and I think that has to be made very clear. Because the population can't come to conclusions, or can't draw conclusions from media reports or anything else, as has been said.

But what I wanted to add also, in terms of discussion thus far on particularly what Matt laid out, in terms of this very clear long fight of Mr. LaRouche, is, what Mr. LaRouche responded to, on Friday night in discussion given by Dennis Small and members of our organization on the Friday webcast, really got to the essence of the fight. We're talking about the fight for the future of mankind to uplift a generation of young people who have been denied a future, and who have been in a culture and a society which has been degenerated for some years.

And I'm thinking, you know, it's very pertinent for us, the Policy Committee, in what we're doing to lead this fight. Because you're looking, for those who are watching and listening, you're looking at young people who represent that generation who were denied a future, who really weren't around when Mr. LaRouche — I mean some of us weren't even born, or barely being thought about in 1970, and some of us were coming around, or maybe little toddlers or whatever.

But the fact is, we're leading this fight because we see that the real intensity and the real fight that's being waged right now, as Prime Minister Modi, as Modi, as Putin, as others have said, that this is the question of where the future lies? What we're going to ensure for our young people and for the generations to come? And that's what's so profound about what we're seeing right now.

And the fact is, that the British Empire, they want to actually shape their own future, and it's where young people are going to continue to be degenerated.

So I think that's very important, especially for all the young people listening: This is your fight.

OGDEN: Yeah, absolutely. What you mentioned, both President Putin and Prime Minister Modi: President Putin said: The future belongs to the young. We are young nations, but the future belongs to the young. And then Prime Minister Modi said: This organization, the New Development Bank, and the countries associated with it, is the first time that an international organization among nations, has been created based on future potential, and not present prosperity. And as Mr. LaRouche said, "not present pseudo-prosperity," because all of the so-called prosperity in the trans-Atlantic system right now, is just financial trash! It's $2 quadrillion worth of derivatives that have absolutely no meaning, no value in the real world.

CHRISTIE: Just to make a quick point: You look at that kind of economic development has always been known that that's the path towards peace. And you know, you take the situation right now in Israel, with this just butchery of the Palestinians, and literally children being murdered with this; over 500 people now killed there. And you contrast that to what somebody like Yitzhak Rabin had proposed, which was — and he was not necessarily a peacenik, per se, but came to a certain understanding at a certain point, that you had to live with people in the region. And knew that only with economic development, and particularly water, and so he promoted the outgrowth of the Atoms for Peace program that Lyndon LaRouche was involved in, called the "Oasis Program," where they could use nuclear power to desalinate water, and bring it into the entire region! And have that be a foundation for peace.

And just contrast that, with this just savage butchery of "Bibi" Netanyahu, whose father was actually the secretary of Vladimir Jabotinsky, who was also known as "Vladimir Hitler," because he actually literally wanted to collaborated with Adolf Hitler. But of course, Hitler had a certain dislike for Jews, obviously.

So, but that's the point, what's going on with these BRICS nations, is the template for actually bringing nations together for peace, versus the British puppets like Netanyahu, Obama, and these Ukrainian Nazis that are destroying the future of humanity.

SARE: I think it's really crucial for Americans to dig deeply, and study if they need a refresher course, on why we founded our republic. And I was struck by this particularly, in reviewing something we produced some years ago, which was the "Lost Chance of 1989," where there's a statement from Helga Zepp-LaRouche, that they show, which she made right after the Berlin Wall came down. [http://larouchepac.com/node/9188] And she describes the dynamic of people flooding over the Wall, people in the formerly West Berlin, becoming completely overcome with emotion, opening their homes, opening their doors, everybody was family. And that people turned to Beethoven and Schiller: And there free performances of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony; free performances of the Magic Flute, a profound revolution for the Good, which was the question of what it means to be a human being. Which is not our mortality, it's not the short span, book-ended by our physical birth and death, but it's something much greater, a part of the universe, as Vernadsky understood it.

And what was great about the American Revolution was its roots in Nicholas of Cusa, and this conception of how you could have a government based on the consent of the governed, which also allowed people to fulfill their God-given creative talents in the real world. And that Alexander Hamilton was the genius who was able to craft an economic system which enabled this potential.

And if we can think of that as our identity, if people would remember that, you would not have the insanity that we see erupting around the so-called border crisis, for example, with whatever it is, 150,000 children being sent over here. It occurred to me that it's a scandal, today, that we turned away boatloads of Jews who were trying to flee Nazi Germany, and people think that was a very bad thing, and that was wrong. And that those same people would then turn around, and just say, forget what's going on in Mexico, let's not look at what's happening in these countries south of our border — that's none of our business. We don't want these people here, they're just bringing diseases.

And I think people should think, we as Americans have to think of humanity, and we have to think of the world as a whole, and we have to think of the power that we have to actually return the United States to this system, which would then allow spectacular developments in all of these other nations.

ROGERS: Absolutely.

OGDEN: And the way to do that is, Mr. LaRouche's Four Laws. And we're going to be repeating that, all week, as we're here in the nation's capital. I know Kesha Rogers will be joining us, and Diane, and also Rachel, so we're going to have prominent representation of the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee on Capitol Hill. And we're calling on everybody who's viewing this, and everybody who is an activist with LaRouche PAC to be in a state of maximum mobilization, and to help us from all around the country, to put the maximum pressure on Congress, and to say, "we're going to ram through these Four Laws whether you like it or not, because it's the only way we're going to save the United States."

So, is there anything else to be added? Okay, well, I want to thank everybody for joining us here, and thank you very much for tuning in. And please stay glued to the larouchepac website this week, and do as much as you can possibly do, to join the Policy Committee in our agenda this week. Thanks for tuning in.